I had no idea of this history. I can speak some but not all. I am trying to correct this. Language is the last thing that we have left, that gives us our antiquity. ( Log Out /  I have taught them what I know, I understand more than I can speak) but how can I teach them the cant/shelta & romani…..I know they are different and I know I little from both and tend to mix them when I talk to my family. I think were all aware that some people arent comfortable with this being out there. What wonderful clips you found! I’ll return to the language spoken by the travelers and its origins. Change ), You are commenting using your Twitter account.

A travelers’ site typical of 70’s and 80’s Ireland. But Gypsies are of Roman descent I believe so the culture will be different. Shelta, Cant or Gammon is similar to the Jamaican’s Patois, a language born out of suppression and spoken deliberately to provide meaning to others who knew it but confusion to those who did not.

Create a free website or blog at WordPress.com. Holdover from the great Traveller Plantations of Cork. I understood most of what she said, it was a very heavy accent, and I was fascinated by her nomadic lifestyle. on WordPress.com. In fairness it is more of a language than Ulster Scots. And I remembered the names of the two sisters I went to school with, but for privacy I will just call them E and B. She couldn’t read at an appropriate age level back then, so I brought in books of girls comics we called “annuals” and she discovered she could tell what was happening by looking at the pictures. Great history too.

Two lovely girls, whose names are now a distant memory, and I have often wondered where they are now.

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And here is Johnny Depp’s attempt at emulating a refined Irish traveler’s accent in Chocolat. Breise!

Martin, Thanks very very much for this.

Not just Cork slang, it’s also used in other regions especially Limerick. The W*** family, also a traveling family, settled in my hometown.

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Subject: Shelta Tāral - Everyday sayings in Kant Fri Oct 23, 2009 12:56 pm In an attempt to consider the historical uses of the language, as well as a way of simplify the capacity to apply Kant in modern life, it gives to reason that an employment of common sayings, farewells and terms of endearment be shared. Most traveling families stayed for a few weeks and then moved on. I sat beside N* D* when I was eleven years old. Hi Lisa. We provide not only dictionary Shelta-English, but dictionaries for every existing pairs of languages - online and free. Good to know. Shelta, Cant or Gammon is similar to the Jamaican’s Patois, a language born out of suppression and spoken deliberately to provide meaning to others who knew it but confusion to those who did not. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, Press J to jump to the feed.

I appreciate it immensely.

What's this "feen" and "byor" shit?

You would make a little girl very happy. That’s not hard though.

After the standardized spelling comes the meaning, followed by the renderings of different collectors, examples of the use of the word, and the etymology, when that can be identified (B-L = Bog-Latin, Chap. Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Both girls and my twin sister and I would meet up at Lough Derg and go swimming when we were 12 or 13 years old.

I agree with Martin Ward we are the original Irish we have been here since before the Celts I’ve recently watched a documentary on RTE TV John Connor’s the Travellers in which they have done DNA testing on travellers and unsettled people which proved that we have not enter married for at least 500 to 1000 years and our language is much older than Celtic if you are interested in our culture then I think you should start with that documentary it will pint you in the right direction and our language is not a written down language so it is impossible for you to learn it if you have not got someone in the family that teach you from a young age I only know a little of it but my grandparents could speak it fluently. She has expressed an interest in learning some Cant words – though I think its a bit early for her to start learning the language it would be a great start on her voyage of discovery.

So rich!!!

A large number of families would call it Gammon (or Gamin) as this is a different dialect or sorts from Cant itself. Not just Cork slang, it’s also used in other regions especially Limerick.

Our gathra, who cradgies in the manyak-norch, We turry kerrath about your moniker.Let’s turry to the norch where your jeel cradgies,And let your jeel shans get greydied nosher same as it is where you cradgie.Bug us eynik to lush this thullis,And turri us you’re nijesh sharrig for the gammy eyniks we greydiedJust like we ain’t sharrig at the gammi needies that greydi the same to us.Nijesh let us soonie eyniks that’ll make us greydi gammy eyniks,But solk us away from the taddy. Minceir means Traveller and Toiree means talk, so Traveller talk. Feen and Beoir or byor, however you want to spell, are originally traveller words that became popular among the general population. Feen and Beoir or byor, however you want to spell, are originally traveller words that became popular among the general population. http://archive.org/stream/rosettaproject_sth_vertxt-1#page/n3/mode/2up, Follow Breise! ( Log Out /  add translation Recent changes. I also want them to be able to speak the language. Is there any chance you could provide me with a list of Cant words and the English equivalent? Cant, or even Minceirs Toiree. We have a different language and culture but can share similar lifestyles. Shelta (/ ˈ ʃ ɛ l t ə /; Irish: Seiltis) is a language spoken by Irish Travellers, particularly in Ireland and the United Kingdom. In the absence of any real knowledge of her culture, negative stereotypes have rushed in to fill the void.

Thank you so much for this. Extra! Not all of their practices are to be praised however, some are known for “double dipping” into social welfare payouts in Ireland and England. Really lookin forward to reading and learning more of this! Create an account in a few clicks or log in to continue. When my parents divorced I was of the age 5 because my father got custody Iwas not rraised in the gypsy culture, but did get some exposure when I was able to visit my mother. I grew up in Ireland, as you know, and having traveling families come and go in school was a common thing. Cromwell who instituted plantation farming in Ireland decided that the worst land was in the west of Ireland, also called Connaught. It is, however, known by various names, such as Gammon (Gamin), Tarri or Cant. I found this online http://archive.org/stream/rosettaproject_sth_vertxt-1#page/n3/mode/2up and it might be obsolete but gives you an idea of how developed Shelta or Cant is. Post was not sent - check your email addresses!


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